Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. Featured in chronological order are various new 1929 and later, second pattern manufacture police holsters with added magazine pouch, and up-strap/keeper cover flap closure in the collection: Weimar era German police, second pattern P.08 Luger holster that is maker marked Paul Gldner Halle a.S. or Halle an der Saale (Halle on the Saale River) on the back and dated 1933. The subject holster is the third such holster identified. Remnants of the original artillery holster body up-strap attachment are visible; the cover flap keeper strap and the brass stud were removed and the hole was plugged in the cover flap and a belt buckle/strap closure, as stated above was added. Below is continuing description of the second and final conversion. or Landjgerei Schleswig; view 1, view 2 and view 3. regulations issued in 1930, and are shown in the following table. $500. $175.00 Like New Condition. Normally, as stated above, these cut-back artillery holsters utilized a toe plug, in this case the subject holster is about of an inch longer, allowing the leather smith enough materiel to fold over the toe opening, mostly conforming to the 1929 and later police holsters. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. Article created: Thursday, 25 January 2018 As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied Eagle over 83 is the marking for the responsable acceptance office for Mauser (WaA83). 13. It is not known if the J. Walter, page 149 pictured muzzle protector is police acceptance marked, although he does specifically state that the pictured, variation 1 muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the police cleaning rod. Landjaegerei (rural constabulary), Assigned to It is uncertain how long the holster remained in the pre-1928 first conversion, shortened LP.08 police pattern as the balance of the changes that constitute the second conversion are unique to this holster, starting with the removal of the up-strap, cover flap keeper and brass stud, plugging the cover flap stud anchor hole, and replacing the original artillery up-strap with a non-standard for a police holster, originally black paint/enamel coated metal belt buckle, keeper and strap cover flap closure. Tom answers that question and gives a detailed . Description. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. 3 5 im Buch II hat mich herr Polizeihauptmann Baetsch, Ministerium des Innern, in liebenswrdigster Meise unterstutzt, wosr ich ihm an dieser Stelle meinen herzlichsten Dant ausspreche. From the same time period is this beautiful DWM Swiss contract Model 1906 Luger sold on the commercial market in 1920s, and includes a vintage shooting medal from the Moudon, a historic town in the canton of Vaud in Switzerland. Einwohnerwehr in 1921. The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. Brown Shirts]) eventually joined the Nazi Party. For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. Description. It has no maker mark nor datePresumably a commercial. Regarding the S. H.133. It was one of 1,000 purchased by the U.S. view 2 and This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! Spain controlled two small mountainous sections of Northern Morocco that were separated by a bay. Ordnance Department in August 1901 for troop trials with the U.S. Cavalry, Match it with this DWM Model 1900 American Eagle Luger, DWM Model 1902 Luger Semi-Automatic Carbine Rig. Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt Fr soll an dem inneren Miederausbau mit= arbeiten, die ffentliche Gicherheit, Ordnung und Ruhe frdern und vor allem jedem Brger die Mglichteit geben, seiner sittlichen Bflicht zur Bettigung seiner geistigen und trperlichen Krfte zum Mohle der Gesamtheit zu gengen. Pistols and Holsters. Still, however, somewhat refutes his prior reportedly statements, five years later in Weimar Lugers 1993 on page 181, Figure 47a text caption where he dismisses the (carry) use of the police cleaning rods with cut-back artillery Luger holsters where he states that: These (police cleaning) rods probably remained in Army or police stations as the brass stop prevents them for fitting in holsters. The finish is very good and this model has a hold open latch and stock lug. stamping, there is enough room to the left of the defined and enhanced rectangular cartouche type enclosed S. H.133. Unit marks were applied to many kinds of German military and police Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline, MO 64658 USA.]. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the ad[8]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; 02-04-2013 08:55 PM by NoncomRetired. WaAJL16. Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. 1930s and beyond with a Weimar era made, seven ring wooden barrel handle cleaning rod, as mentioned, specifically made for use with police Lugers, The reworking ends in May 1921. S.B.S.I 1.7 - item 7 in the 1st Centuria within command I of the South These unique Prussian State Police belt buckles are most often found in gold but have also been observed, as noted above, in this type of silver and were used during the Weimar Era and for a few years into the Nazi era until they were replaced with the standard police buckle with large swastika. The seller states that: It is said this marking was used to indicate issue to security guards at military installations. He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. N.b.5. and Band II or Volume II published in 1921 Weimar Germany with the cover title: Das Lehrbuch fr die Polizeischulen or The textbook for the police schools. Army, Navy, Police. two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular Several Weimar Era Police pictures that show the box or rectangular shape belt buckles have been identified, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group wearing a FREISTAAT As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the Thanks, Dwight, for setting the record straight about these blank toggles. Despite the fact that both Weimar Lugers and It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. Thanks for the help. The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. (May indicate manufacture or rework.) (Bavarian) State Police. Retains the original loops on the back for straps, no belt loops. The new Freistaat Preuen style eagle was adopted as the emblem of the Preuen Schutzpolizei, (Prussian Protection Police) and the Preuen Kommunalpolizei, (Prussian Local/Municipal Police) and was utilized on their belt buckles. It is assumed that at the time of the conversion the holster was still brown. Please help me with identifying those markings. Weight . When identified, either gold or silver, some dated and maker marked, these Prussian State Police belt buckles are described as officer belt buckles and this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. 5. 355. For the rest, however, there has been a tendency to warn the book in its existing form as far as possible. It was subject to the command of the local Reichswehr Thanks. by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an This is German WWI Naval crown m marked on the left receiver. The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. Goertz and D. Bryans, Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline MO, USA, 1997. German: German Mfg. It is, therefore, not necessary in some cases, as the above 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example shows, to modify these cut-back Artillery to Police holsters to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the leather flexibility, size and wall thickness varies between manufactures of WW1 Artillery holsters, specifically the cleaning rod pouches/sleeves from stiff, thick and less flexible leather to supple, thinner and more malleable leather, such as used with the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example. There are many possible combinations of Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946, other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster, a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. Signed & Numbered by both authors. It has a 100mm (4") barrel, is modified as a police issue with a sear and magazine safety, plus it has a police unit identification markings. the ministry's Official Directory provides clear, concise and easy-to-understand information to the police officers about their own rights and duties and how they are to deal with the daily demands of the service. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 12 ----------------------------------------------------------, Pictured is an exceptional example of one such Police officer private purchase, unmarked and unmodified Weimar era Police clamshell dress bayonet. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. $1,000. The initials MG represent machine gun and the number being (page 108) 10th Training Corps or (page 216) with the 10 denoting the team number. The subject pictured, aftermarket LOB Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, stamped on the flat with P08 and a stick wing Nazi proof is a different variation from the ERMA stamped muzzle protector pictured on page 174, Figure 28b of Third Reich Lugers. Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police Still 1993, page 174, Figure 45a, the below pictured holster is an LOB example of the first style, first pattern, pre 1925 new manufacture Weimar era, unmarked police holster. The magazine safety is intact, the grips screws haven't been tampered with and overall looks like a pretty decent pistol. regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. This is a 9mm Luger manufactured by DWM for the Riff Tribe in Morocco. Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. Thanks for the help. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. Interestingly, the cut-back artillery to purportedly, police conversions with toe plugs rarely have added twin belt loops. I agree with Pat on the PTV marking. 1935 and 1936 are the only known manufacturing dates for the TP or Technische Polizeischule property marked holsters. It is possible the second conversion was even later, around the start of WW2, and if true would The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) View First Unread . Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '39 Mauser Police Banner that was ordered from Mauser for the Police use. Additionally, it seems incongruous that a 1920s post WW1 manufacture brass stud was added or replaced when clearly period correct brass studs were available as attested by the added brass stud, while the apparent goal was to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and cover flap to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the lower replaced brass stud would clearly interfere with the insertion of a Police cleaning rod. view 3. The last numbers on the line indicate the item number of the item that was A round buckle for Officers ranks and a box buckle for NCOs ranks utilizing the Freistaat Preuen eagle and are believed to have been introduced in 1921 and were utilized until 1936. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; 4 days Left 18th Century Wooden Box with Brass Handle. 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