Oh, I dunno. -Marigold to her five-year-old first cousin Sybbie, following her return from Boston, United States, Cora: She's a dear little thing. There is definitely something odd about that child. We hope you enjoy your stay. or is seriously traumatized to fein the kind of passivity that is NOT normal for a child of any age.. either which way, there is something askew about dear sweet, young, appearing to be traumatized, marigold whoever is directing, producing, financing this $netflix money maker should have and hopefully WILL make the hard decision to replace their marigold character to those of us who quite frankly see what you see, this is inexcusable .. get on it do what you should have done. You people are looking way too deeply into this. The plot of the Downton Abbey movie is brilliant, not so much because it is surprising, but because it allows every member of the cast to do what we Being reintroduced to the residents of Downton Abbey is like running into old neighbors who moved out years agotheir faces look familiar, and you. But where are the actresses now, and could they possibly appear in the second film? To those who have spent too long trying to read the bell board to learn the names of the rooms, this is for you (from the book, "Downton Abbey Rules for Household Staff"). Lady Grantham says while Lord Gillingham had amazing credentials, he wasnt clever or strong enough for her Henry is. 9 likes. If anything, its a strike against autism, because they hate change. The nephew is now a fine young man doing well in college & the little girl is now 5 & very animated & chatty. . Edith showed her Marigold's birth certificate and revealed she was the child's real mother. Lady Edith's imposter daughter, Marigold, becomes the first child spy for the Germans when she receives a series of invisible-ink telegrams from Berlin. Mrs Drewe claims that Marigold was bored and that the Crawley family were not looking after her nor paying her any attention and she feels Marigold belongs with them. Downton Abbey Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. The television series Downton Abbey followed the lives of the Crawley family and the servants who worked for them at the turn of the 20th century in an Edwardian English country house. An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works please stop improvise yourself psychiatrists while watching a bored little girl. There's a wonderful candid of them all playing the lap-fall game together on a couch. Shes touched that the family is going to go. Yes, she looks different, but the off-set photos show her looking more aware of her surroundings. Boredom instead of suicide psychosis or simply sadness instead of diagnosed depression, indifference instead of autism or asperger, liveliness instead of hyperactivity requiring medial tratments etc. As a mother of 2 children diagnosed with ASD I am very familiar with the condition and it didn't even cross my mind when watching the program. It seems wildly unfair that the Drewes have to move, since all they've ever. I hate it when adults want to pinhold a child into being what they think a child should be. Yew Tree Farm, Yorkshire, England (formerly)Geneva, Switzerland (formerly). Michael Gregson (b. Robert Crawley, 7th Earl of Grantham (played by Hugh Bonneville) (b. Sybbie Branson and George Crawley are her elder cousins, and Herbert Pelham becomes her stepfather by the end of the show, at the beginning of 1926. She suggests the Drewes claim they cannot afford to keep her anymore and so have Edith adopt her. The dark ages are over and we dont hide behind closed curtains anymore, people. Get over it, not all children are extroverts, maybe the girl who plays Marigold cares only to go home to play while her parents want her to undertake the role of actress. . The three eldest children, Sybbie (Fifi Hart), George, and Marigold (Eva and Karina Samms), are still children who innocently play and are warmly coddled in Downton Abbey: A New Era. Marigold Crawley Gregson is a child character on the series, Downton Abbey. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Oh no. Maybe there is no dissabilty or autism but maybe she told to act that way i don't know (just a theory). I even remember my mom, who didnt even regularly watch the show but was watching an episode that featured a scene with Marigold and she immediately was saying something looked off. Mrs Drewe (who views herself, her husband, and children as Marigold's family) becomes very protective of Marigold against Edith, feeling that Edith views Marigold like a doll, and later angrily tells her husband that Marigold is their child and that Edith cannot have her. This is the official YouTube channel for D. Others speculate that the child playing the part may have been sedated to keep her quiet. Lady Edith is faced with a tough decision when she discovers she is pregnant with married Michael Gregson's child. The Christmas clip is most telling. Hollywood Life He was the employer and lover of Lady Edith Crawley, and the late father of her only daughter, Marigold. I know you, I know you to be a nasty jealous scheming bitch, Edith yells. This episode is all waterworks. Marigold along with her cousins, Sybbie and George, along with their parents, watch a small puppet show performed by Bertie and Tom. Andas I have Asperger's myself, I was deeply hurt by that comment. Matthew, having left Downton, is now a Then Mary spitefully exposes Marigold's parentage, causing Bertie to walk out. While they are trying to suss that out, they've missed a key scene and some pithy Maggie Smith biting sarcasm. There's something not right about the child that plays Marigold. It almost breaks up Edith & Bertie. Honestly I found something lacking with the performances of all the child actors on the program, they are small children after all. I agree. What happened to Edith's daughter in Downton Abbey? I don't know if they were just trying too hard to cast a baby who looked like Gregson and ended up with the most stoned-looking child in existence, or if it's intentional and Fellowes means to kick Edith in the teeth again by exposing that Marigold is mentally disabled or something and rousing another scandal. Thank you! [A servant opens the windows in the library. Over at the school house, Mr. Moseley isnt the best teacher the children dont obey him at all. Neil McCarty. SPOILER ALERT: Downstairs comes upstairs as Downton's Earl has secret bedroom tryst with his new maid. We are there legally to ensure the child's health and safety and emotional needs are being met on set. Compare your comment with delicately the issue of Thomas' sexual orientation was handled. There is definitely something off with Marigold. why not bring up even Down Syndrome while we're at? It is unknown if her name was chosen by Edith, the Schroeders, or the Drewes. When the episode starts off, Edith talks to Lady Grantham and weighs the engagement. Several online comments by Downton followers suggest that the character was written to be autistic. 2. Think Nurture not just Nature. uni.pictures/DowntonAbbey. Here's a theory - perhaps the reason something is "off" is because she was in Switzerland as an infant, living with the Drewes as a toddler, and in the Abbey as a preschool aged child. "Downton Abbey"s time on the small screen may have come to an end in 2015, but its popularity has remained ever strong thanks to its fans and, of course, its ever-growing film franchise. As to your likening of Aspergers to a "dreaful [sic] impediment" is very short sighted as many people diagnosed with the condition as children, with the help of caring and understanding therapies, grow into productive, intelligent and socially adjusted adults. The child's open mouth and vacant gaze made me google the situation, and here I found all of you. Many memorable characters have returned to the country estate as the films continue, including some of "Downton Abbey"s most loved child stars. The series, set in the Yorkshire country estate of Downton Abbey, depicts the lives of the aristocratic Crawley family and their servants in the post-Edwardian Sayings Words Wise Words Downton Abbey Words Of Wisdom. As for who of those will appear in the upcoming "Downton" film "A New Era", you'll only be seeing Fifi Hart reprise her role as Sybbie Branson (via IMDb). That makes as much sense as assuming that the child has been affected by all the plastic being ingested the last few years, lead in the water, or other deficiencies. She seems to look off, as if she notices no one or anything. Though she considered passing Marigold off as her orphaned godchild, Cora tells Edith she wants her to bring Marigold home. She tricks him into telling her about Marigold. Maybe they just wore her out playing so she would stay quiet. However, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. She is furious with Rosamund and Violet for never telling her the truth, and blames them for Edith's running away because of their wish to send Marigold back abroad. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! That doesn't sound dreadful to me. If a person describes Asperger's as a "dreadful impediment", it proves that said person doesn't know anything about the subject. Rosamund insisted that the child was no longer hers, and Violet hurt Edith more by calling the child "it" instead of "she" and joking about Edith's "French" - the cover story of her travels being to improve her French. As one viewer notes on Reddit, Laila and Amelia Whitney played Marigold for the first couple of episodes in series five, but were switched to Eva and Karina Samms in the sixth episode. Robert Crawley, 7th Earl of Grantham (played by Hugh Bonneville) (b. Marigold (Edith's Daughter) - Downton Abbey Wiki | Fandom. They tell her to stand here and be very quiet, or sit here and eat this. Now, time for an update downstairs. Completing the child stars were the young twins who play Lady Edith's illegitimate daughter Marigold, who held hands with their on-screen mother Laura Carmichael. Marigold je nelegitimn dcerou Edith Crawleyov, kter ji poala s Michaelem Gregsonem jet ped jejich plnovanm satkem. Others speculate that the child playing the part may have been sedated to keep her quiet. Downton abbey - morning]. Andas I have Asperger's myself, I was deeply hurt by that comment. What other things that are different from your "normal" do you consider "not right"? It's wild and overwhelming and this is simply a baby or one of twins, who is tired, over-loaded, confused, trying to pick her own parent out of the crowd of strangers (yes, she's seen them before, but they are not part of her small world), lights, poles, cords, machinery, people constantly infereing etc. : , , . Cora's mother travels to Downton Abbey for Matthew and Mary's wedding. I remember when the much older Sofia Coppola showed a similar lack of affect in "Godfather 3". What other things that are different from your "normal" do you consider "not right"? They did seem to be somewhat older than Marigold was supposed to be. She is the third grandchild and second granddaughter of Robert and Cora Crawley, and therefore the third great-grandchild and second great-granddaughter of Violet Crawley and Martha Levinson. Oh, I dunno. For those who have mentioned autism and the child playing Marigold, I've a comment. As many viewers noticed when Marigold first appeared on the series, the actresses playing the character changed after only a couple of episodes. Does anyone know if there were plans for the character to have developmental issues? I have a son who is 50 he was born with CP and other disabilities. The family is happy to go, but Mr. Carson does not approve at all. So your judgements are based on viewing upwards of 4 to 6 different people, not just one. Same as older Sybbie, she had those droopy eyes like Sybil's. . Tom rings the Dowager Countess, and she talks to Mary, who breaks down about the fear of being a crash widow again. Title(s) . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Cora asks to see her, but Edith refuses. Her middle name is also unknown. Things are about to get steamy at the Grantham country house in Downton Abbey. Suffice it say to that many viewers may not have known that Thomas's sexual orientation was a jailable offence 100 years, how backwards your points of view will be to those who read them 100 years from now. Marigold moves into the main house. The first Marigold was older than the second. Before she was born, her mother had first considered having an abortion (because she feared becoming an outcast for having an illegitimate child, Michael having mysteriously vanished in Germany without a trace) but backed out at the last minute. 2 Replies. Autism? I felt bad for her. I think kids in general have stricter rules around how long they can work so hiring quiet kids for scenes helps speed up filming. 9 likes. This I find a poor choice by the casting agent unless it was completely intentional and in keeping with Edith's ongoing unfortunate life circumstances. Yep, definitely older but by god that little girl really looked like Gregson. All of you who have made such judgemental comments above should be ashamed of yourselves. In series six she reacted to her surroundings more. I can't begin to guess what is "wrong" (or, different) about this child, but the producers of Downton knew they had a hit show and continued using this child actress. Marigold (Edith's Daughter) - Downton Abbey Wiki | Fandom. Loyalty There was something that didn't look right. If a person describes Asperger's as a "dreadful impediment", it proves that said person doesn't know anything about the subject. Chaperones are hired to supervise the children on set and are independent of both the parents and the production. I noticed she seemed tired or shy compared to the others, too. Is Marigold on Downton Abbey autistic? During the war, Downton Abbey is temporarily converted into an officers' convalescent hospital. Female Anna and Mary are there at the station. Oh, I dunno. Autistic children often look perfectly "right". Qualities Of A Career Woman, I think they probably purposefully did her scenes close to the girls' nap time because Edith and The Drewes had a lot of really dramatic scenes with Marigold, so they'd really want the girls playing her to be as calm as possible for those moments. You really think those kids look like Gregson? r/DowntonAbbey In my opinion Charles Blake was the only male on the show who had chemistry and a real connection with Mary after Matthew of course, I still can't get . Several online comments by Downton followers suggest that the character was written to be autistic. 1:06. Later that year, as the family is leaving for the grouse season at Brancaster Castle, Marigold and her cousins are brought outside to bid farewell. Those kind of toddlers do exist (mine wasn't by any stretch, but I had friends who had super-chill toddlers). Well, her behavior in season six, episode seven was so deplorable even I couldn't justify it. You're not the only one that noticed. 2. Secrets literally flared both up and downstairs of Downton Abbey during the season five US premiere on PBS Masterpiece Sunday. 4. Perhaps she is just bored with the whole process, by the time they get around to her part. Mrs Patmore intercepts the telegrams and,. Marigold with her birth mother, maternal grandparents, and cousin, Marigold's mother (left) with her two maternal aunts, Marigold (age two-three) happily playing with her toys. But Edith's aunt Rosamund Painswick decided it best to take her abroad to keep Edith's reputation safe. Then Mary unwisely takes Marigold along with her son George and Cora to the Drewe's farm to view the pigs for the Moulton show where Mrs Drewe suddenly appears and has an emotional reunion with Marigold, whom she has clearly not got over even though its been months since the little girl left Yew Tree Farm. Biographicalinformation Aspergers? Edith and Marigold at Christmas when Tom and Sybbie leave Downton. I think one of the two twins is definitely "off" somehow. Either way - what an odd choice for a child actor. Edirh gently movied an ornate ornamen, moving itt slowly back and forth in front in Marigold's face Not once but twice, the little girl could not follow the ornament, but looked totally askance with a blank expression..Even a four month old can follow an object. There was something that didn't look right. Granny's Past and a Baby Bates? But afaik they grew up ok I think. Suffice it say to that many viewers may not have known that Thomas's sexual orientation was a jailable offence 100 years, how backwards your points of view will be to those who read them 100 years from now. He decided to name Edith as Marigold's godmother and benefactress so she could continue to see her daughter, despite the fact that Margie's sister was named her godmother at Marigold's christening. She really is getting meaner by the moment. Do they just pick children of the crew or something? Laila & Amelia WhitneyEva & Karina Samms Edith is deeply moved, and later Tom reveals he knows the truth as well, saying where he grew up "there were quite a few Marigolds" - his cousin Nuala had had a daughter out of wedlock who was brought up as her sister, and though the family never talked about it, they all knew the truth. In Downton Abbey 3, George, Sybbie . Full episode guide for Downton Abbey Season 1 Episode 1 A telegram arrives and we learn the Titanic is sunk. I thought she was just shy !! So your judgements are based on viewing upwards of 4 to 6 different people, not just one. I don't think there's anything wrong with her. Does anyone think that maybe the second girl has Down's Syndrome? It probably just took time for the actresses to get used to the set. Marigold Crawley Gregson is a child character on the series, Downton Abbey. The series, set in the fictional Yorkshire country estate of Downton Abbey. It gives me no joy to agree with many there, but thr you have it, Geesh, such ignorance! As to your likening of Aspergers to a "dreaful [sic] impediment" is very short sighted as many people diagnosed with the condition as children, with the help of caring and understanding therapies, grow into productive, intelligent and socially adjusted adults. Or, more likely, Edith and Rosamund may have spent a month or two in Switzerland after Marigold was born as Edith is already two months pregnant (having been told mid-June and trip announcement in August) when they announce that they would to leave to go abroad to Switzerland to improve their French. After the royal visit, life barely returns to normal at Downton Abbey. It may be a little unclear as to where Eva and Karina Samms are now, but you there's still a chance that you'll see them in the next "Downton" film. Lady Edith tells the family that he actually inherited the vast estateand no one is as surprised by the news as Lady Mary! Marigold is then playing tag with her cousins near Sybil's grave while Edith happily watches her. Misery truly loves company and the depressed widow couldn't stand to see her sister happy. With Edith's marriage to Bertie, Marigold would move to her stepfather's estate of Brancaster Castle and probably live out her childhood there. Marigold (b. late December, 1922 or early January 1923) is the illegitimate daughter and only child of Edith Pelham and the late Michael Gregson. Artifact Title: In-Universe: Downton Abbey was actually a monastery when it was built in the Middle Ages; after the Dissolution of the Monasteries it was seized and In season 6, Mary, out of total spite, forces Edith to reveal to her fiance that Marigold is Edith's daughter. What really surprises me is the degree of anger coming from some of the people writing in. Edith basically holds a neon sign over her head constantly: "I'm her mother!" Was is Marigold, or the director? Geesh, such ignorance! Downton Abbey on TV was much more lightweight, and this is a bit exposed in the cinema. I think that the casting director chose the twins who play Marigold for their resemblance . Two/three-year-old Marigold with her adoptive mother, Margie Drewe. Downton Abbey cast list, including photos of the actors when available. 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